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Principle Nine: People follow people, not disembodied principles

with Steve Chalke's guest and expert witness

Derrick Evans MBE

People follow people, not disembodied principles: The importance of leadership and why we need entrepreneurial leaders.

It’s not that the visionary leader must have a detailed map of the ‘promised land’ to which they call us, but they do have to be able to point us in the right direction; the ability to paint a picture of its benefits, to enable us to navigate the journey towards it; and the bravery to move us forward, because that journey also implies huge upheaval, disruption and some opposition.

I call these ‘new-land’ seekers ‘movement’ people. In order for any organisation to move forward rather than stagnate it needs at least one person who fits this description. It’s essential. These are the pioneers, the blue-sky thinkers, the narrative creators, the rainmakers that progress is dependent upon. But equally, any and every successful organisation also needs ‘institution’ people; systems people, planners and landscape developers. What is then vital is that these two groups hold each other in mutual respect and learn the discipline of working in a ‘joined-at-the-hip’ relationship together. Left to their own devices, ‘movement’ people, the entrepreneurs, would explode the organisation they lead. Their ideas would simply overwhelm and bleed it dry; draining it of all resources and energy. On the other hand, the ‘institution’ people, the process team, would implode it; living in the kind of denial that covers over its slow decline by labelling it ‘consolidation’.

A visionary leader might sometimes also be the chief executive officer (CEO) or chief of staff figure, but in my experience this is rare. How many projects do you know of which were initiated to revolutionise a system, but soon fell into the old trap, where the shaping and planning was given right back to the very ‘the-rules-are-the-rules’ people, who were responsible for maintaining and policing the old one? Snip-by-snip, cut-by-cut, all in the name of reasonableness, of health and safety, established protocol, compliance and the need to not rock the boat too ferociously too quickly; the opportunity is lost in the confusion of bureaucracy. The new initiative is pushed and squeezed back into the shape of the old system.

Entrepreneurial leaders are heretics, and we desperately need them in every area of life, because without them we simply end up recreating different versions of the same old system – though usually with fancy new names and straplines.

In the end, real transformational change only ever comes from those with such a strong belief in the core mission – the ‘why’ – of their organisation or community, that they are willing to make huge personal and organisational sacrifices and take risks in order to achieve it. It takes courage to challenge the perceived ‘truth’ of the day. In the words of the famous old Hebrew proverb, ‘Where there is no vision, the people perish.’

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People follow people, not disembodied principles: The importance of leadership and why we need entrepreneurial leaders. In this episode Steve’s guest and expert witness is Derrick Evans, aka Mr. Motivator. In part one Steve sets out his ninth principle, in part two Derrick responds.

“This is my conversation with my guest and expert witness Derrek Evans MBE better known as Mr. Motivator, fitness instructor, keynote speaker and TV personality. We talk together about Principle 9: People follow people, not disembodied principles. I just rejoiced in our conversation because I've known Derek for thirty to forty years, we worked together on TV and I've just seen him put this principle into action. In fact, even this very morning I did a workout with Derrek where he's joined now by crowds of people. People follow people, not disembodied principles. If anyone knows about how to do that, it is Derrek.” – Steve Chalke

Derrick Evans MBE

An icon of British TV, Derrick Evans is best known as Mr. Motivator, a fitness instructor who rose to fame on GMTV in the 1990s. His highly coloured outfits and energetic routines made him hugely popular as he used his platform to encourage viewers to get fit. More than 25 years since he first appeared on British TV, Mr Motivator remains an icon – regularly running public health campaigns for causes like the British Heart Foundation and returning to the nation’s TV screens during the Covid-19 pandemic to help people keep fit and healthy during lockdowns. He was awarded an MBE for services to health and fitness in 2020.

About this podcast series

This podcast series, and the accompanying book by Steve Chalke sets out ten tried and tested practical principles for ‘how’ to develop joined up, cost effective, community empowering work, gleaned from the hard-won experience that sit at the heart of the mission of Oasis over the last four decades. Steve talks to 13 expert witnesses who help him bring his book to life with their own thoughts and lived experiences. We believe it’s time for a radical reset. It's time for A Manifesto for Hope!

Steve’s book is available wherever you buy your books but we recommend you buy it from Bookshop.org an online bookshop with a mission to financially support local, independent bookshops.This book is also available on Audible.

The Manifesto of Hope podcast is brought to you by Oasis. Our producer is Peter Kerwood and the sound and mix engineer is Matteo Magariello.

The Manifesto for Hope

If we are going to build and fund an integrated and holistic system of care for children, young people and their families; one which is aligned and attuned to the real needs of those it seeks to serve, we have to reimagine society together.

We therefore call on central government to establish a new social covenant that:

  1. Replaces the ‘political-cycle-is-all-that-matters’ short-term-policy-making approach and the financial wastage that accompanies it, with a cross-party written commitment to an agreed set of core principles, to be honoured over a twenty-year period, in order to reimagine and rebuild our expensive, but suboptimal systems.
  2. Creates a new generation of visionary ‘cross-system’ government leaders and officers, responsible for delivering innovative, joined-up systems with a specific focus across education, social care, healthcare and mental health, housing, policing and justice, in order to connect the policies and practices that are supposed to protect and nurture every child and young person.
  3. Builds a deepened level of trust between government, local authorities, funders, private and voluntary agencies, and local neighbourhoods by establishing a model of collaboration and mutual accountability around our vital community-building services, designed to empower ordinary people and whole communities.
  4. Acknowledges the central role of the voluntary sector – local charities, grassroots movements and faith groups – in a more imaginative, more collaborative, less bureaucratic, more transparent and mutually accountable approach to community development.
  5. Designs services ‘with’ local people rather than ‘for’ them, by listening hard to the people they are seeking to serve, thus enabling individuals and whole communities to become change makers and take responsibility for their own lives and neighbourhoods.
  6. Realigns funding priorities to create a new focus on longer-term partnerships, with more core funding, and avoids the negative competition for resources by local organisations, which by its very nature has eroded trust, created confusion, wasted time and resources, and fails to deliver the desired outcomes.
  7. Reimagines the anchor role education plays in order to end the culture of exclusion from our schools, and develops a greater focus on the issue of childhood adversity, the nurture and support for vulnerable children and the extension of special educational needs support, to enable every child to succeed.
  8. Facilitates and invests in the essential but neglected role of an effective youth service, to work in tandem with schools, in a relationship of mutual respect, in order to create more holistic care for all young people.
  9. Recognises the urgent need for education, social care, healthcare, housing, policing and justice policy and practice, to catch up with our twenty-first century neurological and psychological understanding of child and adolescent development.
  10. Promotes a national conversation around the recognition that external transformation is never enough and that the impact of poverty, disadvantage and exclusion, can only be addressed in a deep and sustainable manner when, ‘the right of every child to a standard of living adequate for the child's physical, mental, spiritual, moral and social development’, as set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, is vigorously pursued.
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