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Principle Ten: People become what they believe

with Steve Chalke's guest and expert witness

Chine McDonald

People become what they believe with Steve Chalke’s guest and expert witness Chine McDonald, Director of Theos Think Tank

It’s a strange situation. On the one hand, for instance, spirituality is recognised in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child as a basic human right. Yet, on the other, any overarching description of exactly what it consists of – especially one that would make sense at a popular level – remains hard to agree upon. So while there’s growing recognition and understanding that spiritual health is a vital ingredient of overall human wellbeing, at the same time there’s little consensus at either a popular or academic level around exactly what spirituality is.

For many years social scientists – psychologists, psychiatrists, anthropologists, neurologists and criminologists – have been writing and talking about a range of important human themes such as shame, guilt, repentance, justice, stigma, punishment, retribution, desire, dignity, hope, mercy, reconciliation, atonement, forgiveness, love and restoration. Here though is the extraordinary thing. All these categories are exactly the same as those used by theologians and others who write about spirituality.

It’s extremely strange, therefore, that it’s taken us this long to begin to recognise the depth of this crossover. Perhaps this is because most of us are justifiably scared stiff by the abuses and excesses of religious fundamentalists who’ve hijacked so much of this language to push their agendas of exclusion; or to focus on theories about life beyond death, rather than working to find meaning, purpose and wellbeing in the here and now. Or maybe it’s because theologians speak a language that makes little practical sense to most of us, even those of us who choose a religious faith, and therefore we opt not to go anywhere near these issues for fear of revealing our lack of understanding.

Whatever its causes, the neglect of this vital public conversation around the importance of spirituality has cost society dearly. More than that, it’s a price that will only continue to rise until we find the courage to explore and articulate together a spirituality around issues such as education, youth work, social care, housing, the justice system, policing, poverty, and disenfranchisement.

We know that the old ‘pull yourself up by your own bootstraps’ approach to personal change rarely works. Many people in our society just don’t have any boots, let alone the straps to go with them! Real empowerment comes from a sense of awareness about who you are, why you’re here, and what your choices are. In the words of American psychologist, William James, ‘You’re not what you think you are, but what you think, you are.’

It is time that the old suspicion of faith and spirituality gave way to a more thoughtful recognition of, and proactive engagement with, its transformative power; whether that is via the pathway of traditional religion, in all its diversity, or a spiritual encounter outside of that context all together. But its hallmark is always an immediate and, more often than not, a lifelong impact on a person’s entire being.

Put differently, external transformation is never enough. The impact of poverty, disadvantage, and exclusion, cannot be addressed in any deep and sustainable manner unless we recognise that a sense of inner hope is an essential part of the response. Our challenge is to promote a culture that not only creates the opportunities, time, and space to explore this but, as part of that, to embrace a new openness to the transcendent and spiritual in their various forms, as a key part of that journey.

I recently had a conversation with a senior executive whose ethically-based multinational company has provided stable and sustainable employment on a mass scale in a number of UK towns over the last decades. She explained that it was common knowledge that although their commitment has significantly raised the level of the average household income and living conditions, as well as dramatically improved the local economies, funded schools and other social infrastructure over those same decades; the level of anti-social behaviour, drug and alcohol abuse, and crime has also steadily risen. Her conclusion: ‘prosperity does not create hope’.

Likewise, I have a friend who has served for years now as the senior director of adult social services for a large local authority. A few months ago, he explained to me that it had suddenly dawned on him that he’d never witnessed a single case of true personal transformation as an outcome of the work of statutory agencies. ‘We just don’t do that kind of work,’ he said. ‘Our work focuses on support rather than transformation, and the thing that worries me, if I’m honest, is whether we are inadvertently spreading generational dependency rather than empowerment for anyone.’

All this represents a giant weakness in all our policy making. It is time, therefore, that we had the courage to create the space for a national conversation about the relationship of spirituality to psychological and social change, because to deny its legitimacy and exclude it from public discourse is an act of self-deception.

It takes years to evaluate formally the outcomes of investment in the time, space, relationships and people to resource and facilitate the quest for spirituality. This, of course, is another of the reasons why it is so often overlooked. But at the same time, we all know that it is the people who have had the opportunity to answer those two big questions (Who are you? Why are you here?) who so often go on to become the best versions of themselves. People become what they believe!

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People become what they believe: Neglecting the vital conversation about spirituality has cost society dearly. We need the course to create a space for a national conversation about the relationship of spirituality to psychological and social change. In this episode Steve’s guest and expert witness is Chine McDonald, Director of Theos think tank. In part one Steve sets out his tenth principle, in part two Chine responds.

“Chine is a writer and regular contributor to Radio 4's Thought For The Day. She's also the Director of Theos Think Tank, which looks at the relationship between religion, politics, and society. We talk together about Principle 10: People become what they believe. I enjoyed talking with Chine because she understands that principle so deeply. Her work around religion, spirituality, and society is game-changing. Her words in this area have changed me. They've shown me new visions of what I couldn't see before, and it's just brilliant to bring her to you.” – Steve Chalke

Chine McDonald

Chine McDonald is Director of Theos, the religion and society think tank. Born in Nigeria, she moved to the UK at the age of four, and later studied at Cambridge University before training as a newspaper journalist. Chine is a regular contributor to BBC religion and ethics programmes, including Thought for the Day on Radio 4’s Today programme, the Daily Service, and Prayer for the Day. Chine previously led fundraising and public engagement at international development charity, Christian Aid, and regularly writes and speaks on issues of race and faith. Her second book God is Not a White Man (published in May 2021) was shortlisted for the 2023 Michael Ramsey Prize.

About this podcast series

This podcast series, and the accompanying book by Steve Chalke sets out ten tried and tested practical principles for ‘how’ to develop joined up, cost effective, community empowering work, gleaned from the hard-won experience that sit at the heart of the mission of Oasis over the last four decades. Steve talks to 13 expert witnesses who help him bring his book to life with their own thoughts and lived experiences. We believe it’s time for a radical reset. It's time for A Manifesto for Hope!

Steve’s book is available wherever you buy your books but we recommend you buy it from Bookshop.org an online bookshop with a mission to financially support local, independent bookshops.This book is also available on Audible.

The Manifesto of Hope podcast is brought to you by Oasis. Our producer is Peter Kerwood and the sound and mix engineer is Matteo Magariello.

The Manifesto for Hope

If we are going to build and fund an integrated and holistic system of care for children, young people and their families; one which is aligned and attuned to the real needs of those it seeks to serve, we have to reimagine society together.

We therefore call on central government to establish a new social covenant that:

  1. Replaces the ‘political-cycle-is-all-that-matters’ short-term-policy-making approach and the financial wastage that accompanies it, with a cross-party written commitment to an agreed set of core principles, to be honoured over a twenty-year period, in order to reimagine and rebuild our expensive, but suboptimal systems.
  2. Creates a new generation of visionary ‘cross-system’ government leaders and officers, responsible for delivering innovative, joined-up systems with a specific focus across education, social care, healthcare and mental health, housing, policing and justice, in order to connect the policies and practices that are supposed to protect and nurture every child and young person.
  3. Builds a deepened level of trust between government, local authorities, funders, private and voluntary agencies, and local neighbourhoods by establishing a model of collaboration and mutual accountability around our vital community-building services, designed to empower ordinary people and whole communities.
  4. Acknowledges the central role of the voluntary sector – local charities, grassroots movements and faith groups – in a more imaginative, more collaborative, less bureaucratic, more transparent and mutually accountable approach to community development.
  5. Designs services ‘with’ local people rather than ‘for’ them, by listening hard to the people they are seeking to serve, thus enabling individuals and whole communities to become change makers and take responsibility for their own lives and neighbourhoods.
  6. Realigns funding priorities to create a new focus on longer-term partnerships, with more core funding, and avoids the negative competition for resources by local organisations, which by its very nature has eroded trust, created confusion, wasted time and resources, and fails to deliver the desired outcomes.
  7. Reimagines the anchor role education plays in order to end the culture of exclusion from our schools, and develops a greater focus on the issue of childhood adversity, the nurture and support for vulnerable children and the extension of special educational needs support, to enable every child to succeed.
  8. Facilitates and invests in the essential but neglected role of an effective youth service, to work in tandem with schools, in a relationship of mutual respect, in order to create more holistic care for all young people.
  9. Recognises the urgent need for education, social care, healthcare, housing, policing and justice policy and practice, to catch up with our twenty-first century neurological and psychological understanding of child and adolescent development.
  10. Promotes a national conversation around the recognition that external transformation is never enough and that the impact of poverty, disadvantage and exclusion, can only be addressed in a deep and sustainable manner when, ‘the right of every child to a standard of living adequate for the child's physical, mental, spiritual, moral and social development’, as set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, is vigorously pursued.
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