Episode
8

Principle Seven: Do things ‘with’ people, not ‘to’ them or ‘for’ them

with Steve Chalke's guest and expert witness

Julie Siddiqi MBE

Do things ‘with’ people, not ‘to’ people: Poverty will never be solved by programmes. It takes a village to raise a child, but too often, we’ve left it to paid professionals.

The challenge ahead of us is how to rebuild strong, healthy and therapeutic local communities in this strange new world to which we are struggling to adapt, because the best predictor of both physical and mental health is always relational connectedness.

A good multi-family, multi-generational community is a healing community, one which is filled with countless informal therapeutic moments and interactions. There may be no formal therapy sessions, but there’s a myriad of social connections that together build resilience, wisdom and hope. Most of the world’s very best support and healing happens naturally without professional involvement in small communities – it always has.

Poverty will never be solved by programmes. A caring society springs not from the diktats of Whitehall, but from real day-to-day contact with, and concern for, our neighbours, and involvement with local community. Government can do certain things very well, but the fact is that because local community groups are on the ground and are trusted, they are able to respond faster and more sensitivity to real needs, and to do so with a level of knowledge and care that is impossible for statutory bodies to achieve. Because of this, they are far more effective in their work than the expensive initiatives of the government will ever be.

The problem is that the state doesn’t like anything that isn’t formal, and communities are by their very nature informal.

Though children and families exist in an ecosystem of relationships, statutory children’s and family services often bypass these relationships and act in isolation from them. Too often their work feels like something ‘done to us’ rather than a healthy partnership with us. ‘Nothing about us, without us’. This over-professionalisation of support has not simply corroded community engagement and ownership, but also the very sense of community itself. Instead of deepening and strengthening local ownership and enhancing relationships, it has disempowered and robbed families of a sense of honour and dignity.

We have paralysed informal community networks by professionalising care. We can obsess over the minutiae of health and safety, safeguarding and risk assessments, but our lack of investment in building a network of informal care, combined with under-resourced professional care has created huge risk and destroys both health and safety.

Even when professionals consult with a community, it’s often a tokenistic, box-ticking exercise rather than an authentic process for listening. This simply disempowers them and leaves the community feeling unheard rather than listened to and valued. Genuine community consultation should create a tangible sense of community participation, engagement, and collaboration around what’s really needed, and how any service could be best provided.

Our current over-reliance on professionals is not only a therapeutic and relational disaster, it’s also a resource disaster. The two issues play right into one another. Not only does it ignore the strengths and bypass the informal networks in the community, negating its insights and wasting its talent; but worse, it runs the huge risk of angering and alienating those it was designed to help. Partnership enhances community robustness: an over reliance on professionalism destroys it.

It takes a village to raise a child,’ is one of the most over-quoted phrases of the last decade. But our problem is that, although we sign up to the doctrine, at the very same time we have failed to invest in building or supporting that philosophy, and instead have simply left things to a bunch of paid professionals.

Until we all understand this and are prepared to do something about it, we are lost!

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Do things ‘with’ people not ‘to’ people: Poverty will never be solved by programmes. It takes a village to raise a child but too often we’ve left it to paid professionals. In this episode Steve’s guest and expert witness is Julie Siddiqi MBE. In part one Steve sets out his seventh principle, in part two Julie responds.

“This is my conversation with my guest and expert witness Julie Siddiqi MBE, social entrepreneur and founder and director of Together We Thrive. We talk together about Principle 7: Do things ‘with’ people, not ‘to’ them or ‘for’ them. I love talking with Julie because of how she lives out her Muslim faith. She's lived in the same community for the last 20 years. She served those people she knows, those people she rejoices with, those people she weeps with. Julie is the embodiment of working with people rather than doing things for them or to them. I love her.” – Steve Chalke

Julie Siddiqi MBE

Julie Siddiqi is a mentor, consultant, community activist and gender equality campaigner with a focus on interfaith relations. She has a background in community grassroots work spanning 25 years and is the founder of Together We Thrive and co-founder of The Big Iftar and Nisa-Nisham – the Jewish and Muslim Women’s Network and the largest network of its kind in Europe. Julie was Executive Director of the Islamic Society of Britain from 2010-2014 and has also been a member of the government’s National Muslim Women’s Advisory Group and National Anti-Muslim Hatred Working Group. Julie was awarded an MBE in 2020 for services to promoting interfaith understanding.

About this podcast series

This podcast series, and the accompanying book by Steve Chalke sets out ten tried and tested practical principles for ‘how’ to develop joined up, cost effective, community empowering work, gleaned from the hard-won experience that sit at the heart of the mission of Oasis over the last four decades. Steve talks to 13 expert witnesses who help him bring his book to life with their own thoughts and lived experiences. We believe it’s time for a radical reset. It's time for A Manifesto for Hope!

Steve’s book is available wherever you buy your books but we recommend you buy it from Bookshop.org an online bookshop with a mission to financially support local, independent bookshops.This book is also available on Audible.

The Manifesto of Hope podcast is brought to you by Oasis. Our producer is Peter Kerwood and the sound and mix engineer is Matteo Magariello.

The Manifesto for Hope

If we are going to build and fund an integrated and holistic system of care for children, young people and their families; one which is aligned and attuned to the real needs of those it seeks to serve, we have to reimagine society together.

We therefore call on central government to establish a new social covenant that:

  1. Replaces the ‘political-cycle-is-all-that-matters’ short-term-policy-making approach and the financial wastage that accompanies it, with a cross-party written commitment to an agreed set of core principles, to be honoured over a twenty-year period, in order to reimagine and rebuild our expensive, but suboptimal systems.
  2. Creates a new generation of visionary ‘cross-system’ government leaders and officers, responsible for delivering innovative, joined-up systems with a specific focus across education, social care, healthcare and mental health, housing, policing and justice, in order to connect the policies and practices that are supposed to protect and nurture every child and young person.
  3. Builds a deepened level of trust between government, local authorities, funders, private and voluntary agencies, and local neighbourhoods by establishing a model of collaboration and mutual accountability around our vital community-building services, designed to empower ordinary people and whole communities.
  4. Acknowledges the central role of the voluntary sector – local charities, grassroots movements and faith groups – in a more imaginative, more collaborative, less bureaucratic, more transparent and mutually accountable approach to community development.
  5. Designs services ‘with’ local people rather than ‘for’ them, by listening hard to the people they are seeking to serve, thus enabling individuals and whole communities to become change makers and take responsibility for their own lives and neighbourhoods.
  6. Realigns funding priorities to create a new focus on longer-term partnerships, with more core funding, and avoids the negative competition for resources by local organisations, which by its very nature has eroded trust, created confusion, wasted time and resources, and fails to deliver the desired outcomes.
  7. Reimagines the anchor role education plays in order to end the culture of exclusion from our schools, and develops a greater focus on the issue of childhood adversity, the nurture and support for vulnerable children and the extension of special educational needs support, to enable every child to succeed.
  8. Facilitates and invests in the essential but neglected role of an effective youth service, to work in tandem with schools, in a relationship of mutual respect, in order to create more holistic care for all young people.
  9. Recognises the urgent need for education, social care, healthcare, housing, policing and justice policy and practice, to catch up with our twenty-first century neurological and psychological understanding of child and adolescent development.
  10. Promotes a national conversation around the recognition that external transformation is never enough and that the impact of poverty, disadvantage and exclusion, can only be addressed in a deep and sustainable manner when, ‘the right of every child to a standard of living adequate for the child's physical, mental, spiritual, moral and social development’, as set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, is vigorously pursued.
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